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slathrop
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| Beckers wrote: | Shawn, I see you were also in an episode of LOST.
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Every memory of working on Lost is a fond one. My first experience was as a background actor in a Locke flashback when he is dating the character Helen portrayed by Katie Seagel. They filmed a scene in a movie theater and they had me behind the counter blocking a mirror. Of course, my luck, they cut the whole scene and reshot it in a restaurant setting. I got to work on two Locke flashbacks, two Desmond flashbacks, a Kate flashback and a Nicki flashback. Each and every job was an adventure and I got to meet the stars and some really wonderful people whom I am still in contact with today.
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject: mermer |
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MY OPINIONS ABOUT THE MOVIE
-the props were just rediculous, the whole sacrifice station thing looked like a bunch of kids built it.
-the acting wasent so bad it was just a bit unrealistic, I personally would have been screaming my butt off if I was bitten by a T-rex to the point where my ribs were showing, but Will seemed to be smiling about that. 
-it seems as if blind people did the makeup for the aztecs.
- i bet that if i wanted to, i could make the same t-rex that was in that movie on my computer in 5 minutes.
- the only thing good about that movie, is that it made me laugh so hard to the point where i was on the floor out of breath.
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slathrop
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Thought I would address each of these:
-the props were just rediculous, the whole sacrifice station thing looked like a bunch of kids built it.
Actually the sacrificial altar was made of plywood, bricks, paint and plaster, just like most structures of that sort are made of in movies. And it was made by crew members who also work on Lost and other productions filmed in Hawaii.
-the acting wasent so bad it was just a bit unrealistic, I personally would have been screaming my butt off if I was bitten by a T-rex to the point where my ribs were showing, but Will seemed to be smiling about that.
Well thank you for saying it "wasn't so bad". And if you watch that scene with Will again, you will see he is shaking and acting like someone who is in shock. Just as the script called for. And remember that he was screaming when the dino first grabbed him. He's just such a tough ass conquistador that he doesn't scream like a little girl! 
-it seems as if blind people did the makeup for the aztecs.
Actually, the highly experienced and professional make up artists on the film applied that make up every day which was a one hour process for some of them. They took photos of the makeup after the initial testing phase in order to ensure continuity and used a special kind of latex body paint that had to be vigorously scrubbed off every day.
- i bet that if i wanted to, i could make the same t-rex that was in that movie on my computer in 5 minutes.
OK, I'm calling your bluff. Let's see you do it!
- the only thing good about that movie, is that it made me laugh so hard to the point where i was on the floor out of breath.
Well I'm glad you found amusing instead of boring. You know, it's easy to criticise and bad mouth someone else's work. But I would love to see what kind of film you could come up with when given a very minimum budget and 15 days to shoot a feature length film. Oh, and let's not forget that you are going to make the same t-rex on your home computer, right?
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Geoff
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:20 am Post subject: |
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I thought I would repost this because I didn't get to finish it last night...here are my initial reactions...
| prairie gal wrote: | I missed it either fortunately or unfortunately, it depends on how you look at it. I will try to see it when it reappears. The comments so far are interesting!
Question: Slathrop who did you play in it? Frey always says one should hire real dinos for these flics but humans are wussies! |
Shawn played Sergeant Alvarado, one of the Conquistadors under the command of Hernan Cortes.
| hoghunter wrote: | | I personally thought that will did a fantastic job acting, but other than that, that was one of the WORST!!!! movies I think i've ever seen in my life, that t-rex was so fake, it looked like something from a video game, I mean, the puppets from season one of TLW looked a hell of alot better than that, and the actors did a horrible job acting,(except for will of course) but I was so disapointed, especially cause they were making such a big deal about this movie, and it wasn't even that good. |
To be honest, I thought Will's acting was good, but not his best I would've like to see more of him. There was really no point in killing him off near the end.
My favorite characters in the movie were Matlal, Duran (so convincing I actually hated him), and Cortes. At first, I thought Alvarado would be just a random guy, hangin in the backround, but I remember thinking how good Shawn was during the film (because I never really thought much of him beforehand), and I really liked his performance, mainly because he is so full of character and it just projects off the screen. I also liked his voice, too, it's a shame he didn't have more lines. I'll have to watch his parts over.
Anyway, I really liked the movie! I honestly found it to be the best SciFi channel movie I've seen in its class, considering its budget. And, I've seen much worse from SciFi. Best of all, I liked the camera angles, and the way the landscape and the scenes were captured -for those of you who actually pay attantion to such things. But I thought the whole thing was beautiful. There was a good diversity between characters -in style, and attitude, and the actors were able to make themselves stand out as individuals from their groups, while still maintaining a connection with each other.
I also like the way the story turned out. One of the things I often find myself thinking about after I see a movie like this one, is how the story ends. It wasn't one of those movies where you are just left hanging, ya know? The movie doesn't end after our hero overcomes his adversity, such as in the many action films of today, but rather, provides time for the moment to sink in, and really establish the ending of the story. In this case, the romance between Ayacoatl and Rios really helped, especially at the end, when Rios becomes Chief and explains how his valley had never been disrupted from the spanish conquest following Cortes's leave.
Overall, the story was short and sweet; with simple, but meaningful morals. It had a decent amount of depth; there was excitement, a touch of wonder, and the experience of two different, and ancient, cultures clashing together. And although I would have liked to see more of a story going into the beliefs and traditions of the Aztecs, as well as a more various installment of sets, villagers, and a higher quality of animation, I doubt they had the time or money to really get into it as much as they would like. Still, I think those are easily over-looked just because you get so immersed with the story. I think Brian really did enough to satisfy both the story and enjoyment of the movie for his audience. Personally - and maybe it's just because I'm partial to genre films (especially when you can pull off as good a movie as this one, and on a budget) - I found it entertaining; and I like Brian's style. You can tell the guy knows how to have fun, and do it well. And I think it shows off in his movie.
From my initial reaction to Aztec Rex, and because of my newfound respect for the following people, I'll be looking forward to any future projects by Shawn, Brian Trenchard-Smith, and Richard Manning.
In regards to all the negative comments, all I can say is that I guess it's hard to really appreciate something when you don't know what goes into it. In my opinion, what makes these types productions so special is that many times they come from independant, and low-budget filmakers and actors trying to catch a break. They generally aren't going to have all the superficial special effects that we're all used to seeing in the theatres. But, just keep in mind that everybody's got to start somewhere, and think about what the movie is really trying to acomplish as a film.
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 2:25 am Post subject: |
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| slathrop wrote: | | Beckers wrote: | Shawn, I see you were also in an episode of LOST.
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Every memory of working on Lost is a fond one. My first experience was as a background actor in a Locke flashback when he is dating the character Helen portrayed by Katie Seagel. They filmed a scene in a movie theater and they had me behind the counter blocking a mirror. Of course, my luck, they cut the whole scene and reshot it in a restaurant setting. I got to work on two Locke flashbacks, two Desmond flashbacks, a Kate flashback and a Nicki flashback. Each and every job was an adventure and I got to meet the stars and some really wonderful people whom I am still in contact with today. |
Wow. Sounds WONDERFUL.
Thanks so much and continued success on your carreer. 
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 3:35 am Post subject: |
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*dons her positive energy hat so as not to be perceived as being negative for sharing her honest opinion*
Just because some of us didn't like the movie or were disappointed in it, please don't think or assume that we will not or do not support those involved. Because I for one will continue to watch anything Will, Jeff Hayes, David Kemper or Richard Manning are involved in. I can't say I will always enjoy or even like it. But I will always support them. I also don't think that by expressing our opinions about our experience of watching the movie should be seen in such a negative light. Yes some of the ways in which the disappointment has been expressed have been less than kind, but that doesn't mean the people expressing them should be taken to task (that's the feeling I'm getting sorry if I got it wrong) for expressing their thoughts.
Shawn - not knowing much of your work I honestly can't say that you were good, bad or indifferent in what I could watch. Also please don't think that I don't know of the hard work that anyone involved in any movie/tv show/play does. I've done a bit of theatre over the years and I know full well the hard work involved. Sometimes when the entire package isn't appreciated some might think that the hard work isn't appreciated. I appreciate all the hard work that went into making the movie. Sadly (to me) it appears that any expressed disappointment in it appears to be folks not appreciating the hard work.
We all perceive things differently and instead of saying that one perception is negative and the other is positive why can't we just agree to disagree on the movie and cheer those involved on to their next project. We all make choices in life that not everyone we know will like but that doesn't mean we can't still appreciate each other and value the honesty of sharing opinions whether you agree with it or not. Remember, opinions are neither right or wrong, they just are.
I wish you and all those involved nothing but the best with your careers. Thanks for taking the time to hang with us I do appreciate it.
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eeek! I certainly hope my remarks didn't make anyone's opinions seem negative, or put anyone off expressing their opinions! They do seem to lean to one side...I do apologize if anyone was hindered by my thoughts, and perhaps poor/misguided word choice. Have a nice evening, and don't go to bed angry! haha , just kidding...I'm off for a midnight snack. =)
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Allow me to just say that I am in no way one of these actors who has thin skin and can't handle criticism. Trust me, I've been told by casting directors that I was everything from too short to too white to too stocky, etc. You just have to let it slide off your back.
But on the same token, I have read so many postings on the internet over the years where people anonymously blast one movie or TV show or another and say vicious, mean spirited things about actors, actresses and directors. But how often do these people actually get called on the carpet by the very person they're criticizing?
Now, it's one thing to say that the props looked bad or to say specific people could have done a better job acting. But when someone makes a blanketed statement like "this movie sucked". Then I really have to question what kinds of films they consider to be worthy of their attention and praise. And like Geoff said, everyone starts somewhere. Look at "Clerks" or "El Mariachi" Watch any first film or early films by today's big name directors and actors and compare them to more recent works. Of course you're comparing apples to oranges because you're dealing with different budgets, different eras in history and different levels of experience.
And please remember that every actor from little old me to megastars like Brad Pitt are only human and we do have feelings like anyone else.
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SunKrux
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| slathrop wrote: | Allow me to just say that I am in no way one of these actors who has thin skin and can't handle criticism. Trust me, I've been told by casting directors that I was everything from too short to too white to too stocky, etc. You just have to let it slide off your back.
But on the same token, I have read so many postings on the internet over the years where people anonymously blast one movie or TV show or another and say vicious, mean spirited things about actors, actresses and directors. But how often do these people actually get called on the carpet by the very person they're criticizing?
Now, it's one thing to say that the props looked bad or to say specific people could have done a better job acting. But when someone makes a blanketed statement like "this movie sucked". Then I really have to question what kinds of films they consider to be worthy of their attention and praise. And like Geoff said, everyone starts somewhere. Look at "Clerks" or "El Mariachi" Watch any first film or early films by today's big name directors and actors and compare them to more recent works. Of course you're comparing apples to oranges because you're dealing with different budgets, different eras in history and different levels of experience.
And please remember that every actor from little old me to megastars like Brad Pitt are only human and we do have feelings like anyone else. |
Thanks for that Shawn. It's also helpful for us all to remember that there are actual humans behind the handles posting here as well.
I've never been a fan of "movie x sucked" without a reason why the person felt it sucked. While I don't think Aztec Rex sucked, I was disappointed in the writing. I've been a fan of Richard Mannings for years and he's written much better stuff. I also realize that hey, just like me everyone involved in AR need to pay the bills. So no worries. It's not my cupa, but that doesn't mean I'll stop supporting or watching projects those involved drew me to the movie because I wasn't thrilled with it. We all have off days and we're not perfect.
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| slathrop wrote: | | But I would love to see what kind of film you could come up with when given a very minimum budget and 15 days to shoot a feature length film. Oh, and let's not forget that you are going to make the same t-rex on your home computer, right?[/b] |
You guys only had 15 days to make this whole film!  they should have given you guys more time.
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| hoghunter wrote: | | slathrop wrote: | | But I would love to see what kind of film you could come up with when given a very minimum budget and 15 days to shoot a feature length film. Oh, and let's not forget that you are going to make the same t-rex on your home computer, right?[/b] |
You guys only had 15 days to make this whole film! they should have given you guys more time. |
I know! I just wish people would keep that in mind when they criticize the film. You also have to keep in mind that we didn't use any soundstages in this film. Everything was done outdoors and in very rough terrain. And with only 15 days to film, we worked our asses off to quickly reset and prep for each shot.
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| slathrop wrote: |
I know! I just wish people would keep that in mind when they criticize the film. You also have to keep in mind that we didn't use any soundstages in this film. Everything was done outdoors and in very rough terrain. And with only 15 days to film, we worked our asses off to quickly reset and prep for each shot. |
Dude, I'm sorry you all only had 15 days to shoot the movie. It certianly bites that you all had to work so fast and I imagine furious to get it filmed in such a short amount of time. My hat is off to everyone involved for doing that. However, that fact is not going to make me like it any better. I don't discount the hard work everyone involved did. I'm merely saying that for me, it has the feel of a movie that was put together in 15 days. Had you all had more time and money I'm sure it would have been a better film. Chalk it up to experience and move on. You were able to pay bills. That's a good day in my book.
I'm not discounting that everyone worked hard and did their best. I'm just disappointed that something that SciFi was pushing as this phenomenal movie wasn't all that phenomenal to me. For frell's sake man, Richard Manning and David Kemper produced Farscape. If you've ever watched Farscape then maybe you'll understand my disappointment in this movie.
Please don't think I'm angry or upset with anyone here. I do not praise a movie/tv show/play/book if I do not like it. I'll praise the work that went into it but not praise the product so as not to hurt any one's feelings. I try to be constructive in my critisim as I like to think that constructive critisim is helpful. I know I appreciate it wheh I get it. It helps me grow as a person and performer.
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| slathrop wrote: | | hoghunter wrote: | | slathrop wrote: | | But I would love to see what kind of film you could come up with when given a very minimum budget and 15 days to shoot a feature length film. Oh, and let's not forget that you are going to make the same t-rex on your home computer, right?[/b] |
You guys only had 15 days to make this whole film! they should have given you guys more time. |
I know! I just wish people would keep that in mind when they criticize the film. You also have to keep in mind that we didn't use any soundstages in this film. Everything was done outdoors and in very rough terrain. And with only 15 days to film, we worked our asses off to quickly reset and prep for each shot. |
I agree, I don't know if you had read the comments about the movie on imdb, but they were brutal, and it's like, even if you thought that the movie wasn't all that great, you've got to remember, these guys are still working their asses off trying to put this movie together, and for 15 days, i'll tell you what, the dinos didn't look that bad, and now that I know that sci-fi movies are only given 15 days to have the whole thing done, I have soooo much more respect for you guys, and the sci-fi channel.
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| SunKrux wrote: | | slathrop wrote: |
I know! I just wish people would keep that in mind when they criticize the film. You also have to keep in mind that we didn't use any soundstages in this film. Everything was done outdoors and in very rough terrain. And with only 15 days to film, we worked our asses off to quickly reset and prep for each shot. |
Dude, I'm sorry you all only had 15 days to shoot the movie. It certianly bites that you all had to work so fast and I imagine furious to get it filmed in such a short amount of time. My hat is off to everyone involved for doing that. However, that fact is not going to make me like it any better. I don't discount the hard work everyone involved did. I'm merely saying that for me, it has the feel of a movie that was put together in 15 days. Had you all had more time and money I'm sure it would have been a better film. Chalk it up to experience and move on. You were able to pay bills. That's a good day in my book.
I'm not discounting that everyone worked hard and did their best. I'm just disappointed that something that SciFi was pushing as this phenomenal movie wasn't all that phenomenal to me. For frell's sake man, Richard Manning and David Kemper produced Farscape. If you've ever watched Farscape then maybe you'll understand my disappointment in this movie.
Please don't think I'm angry or upset with anyone here. I do not praise a movie/tv show/play/book if I do not like it. I'll praise the work that went into it but not praise the product so as not to hurt any one's feelings. I try to be constructive in my critisim as I like to think that constructive critisim is helpful. I know I appreciate it wheh I get it. It helps me grow as a person and performer. |
Please don't misunderstand me and this goes to everyone else here. If you don't like the movie then you don't like it. I'm not going to try and convince anyone otherwise. And yes I have read some of the comments on Imdb. Some are respectful and constructive and others are simply juvenile and ignorant as far as I'm concerned. I mean to post something like "this is the worst movie ever made" or "this movie sucks" to me shows the lack of intelligence and imagination of the person making the statement. But to say thas the CGI was disappointing or that the props could have been better or that one person or another's performance was "wooden" or "overacted" is another story because it says that the person really watched the film and took the time to note those things rather than make a simple blanket statement about the film.
For the record, here is what I think of the film and those who worked on it from my own personal experience:
~Brian Trenchard-Smith is a great director who respects his actors and takes the time to listen to his actors and expects their best in front of the camera.
~Ian's wig was silly looking. My wig was a pain in the ass and I hope I never have to wear one again for as long as I live. Will's wig looked great and Marco was so lucky to get hair extensions and therefore forego the process of putting on and taking off a wig everyday.
~Ian's wig had nothing to do with his performance or his talent as an actor.
~The props were built by professional prop masters who have worked on numerous films and TV shows including Lost but were given a very limited budget.
~The horse hated me. Seriously, it loved everyone else but tried to bite me or bump me with its head everytime it got near me. I don't know why since I grew up on a farm with horses and never had a problem with one before!
~The CGI dinosaur was disappointing especially since we were told that they would be using the same program that was used for the show "Walking With Dinosaurs". but trust me, it was better than what it looked like when they first premiered the film at the Hawaii International Film Festival. But hey! I didn't do the CGI so it's out of my hands.
~The dialog in the script was difficult at times to perform. The lines I had when walking next to Ian's horse was a pain in the butt to do since I had so many long words to get out clearly and quickly while also walking at a determined pace while either walking next to a tempermental horse or the camera on a dolly track. And let me just say that I didn't write the script and had no control over what we were told to perform. I simply showed up, knew my lines, hit my marks and did the best I could with what was given to me.
~As far as the spanish accent, that was Ian's choice as an actor and given his years of experience it is really not my place to criticize his choices with his character and performance. The rest of us including James, Milan, Will, Marco and myself decided otherwise. As an actor, you develop your character and find his voice as part of the process. Some actors are experienced and comfortable enough to do an accent and others aren't. I didn't feel comfortable doing a spanish accent and didn't have enough time to really study and develop one. And even if I did, I still wouldn't have done it because I believe in unity and cohesion with my fellow actors. We decided to not use one as a group and I stuck with those guys in the decision.
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Please don't misunderstand me and this goes to everyone else here. If you don't like the movie then you don't like it. I'm not going to try and convince anyone otherwise. And yes I have read some of the comments on Imdb. Some are respectful and constructive and others are simply juvenile and ignorant as far as I'm concerned. I mean to post something like "this is the worst movie ever made" or "this movie sucks" to me shows the lack of intelligence and imagination of the person making the statement. But to say thas the CGI was disappointing or that the props could have been better or that one person or another's performance was "wooden" or "overacted" is another story because it says that the person really watched the film and took the time to note those things rather than make a simple blanket statement about the film. |
I hear ya. It's all good. As for the less thoughtful responses on IMDB - sadly it seems to me that critical thinking is not something most fans like to do. They'd simply rather just squee and faun over their celeb/tv show/movie of choice and praise it without mentioning the things that might poke them in the back of the mind. How is anyone supposed to improve if all they hear is praise?
| Quote: | For the record, here is what I think of the film and those who worked on it from my own personal experience:
~Ian's wig was silly looking. My wig was a pain in the ass and I hope I never have to wear one again for as long as I live. Will's wig looked great and Marco was so lucky to get hair extensions and therefore forego the process of putting on and taking off a wig everyday. |
Yeah, it's a shame that a good wig is hard to find. Ian's wig looked like (to me anyway) it was about to crawl off his head. It must have been really annoying to wear those wigs. Was it hot when you all filmed?
| Quote: | | ~Ian's wig had nothing to do with his performance or his talent as an actor. |
We'll just have to agree to disagree about Ian's talent. Since it's pretty much all up to perception. We do not have the same perspective. I admire you not saying anything disparaging about Ian. I always dislike when actors bad mouth each other in public.
| Quote: | | ~The props were built by professional prop masters who have worked on numerous films and TV shows including Lost but were given a very limited budget. |
And for some of us, unfortunately they looked exactly like props (mainly that alter) that were built on a very limited budget.
| Quote: | | ~The horse hated me. Seriously, it loved everyone else but tried to bite me or bump me with its head everytime it got near me. I don't know why since I grew up on a farm with horses and never had a problem with one before! |
Sorry to hear that. Didn't W.C Fields say to never work with animals and children?
| Quote: | | ~The CGI dinosaur was disappointing especially since we were told that they would be using the same program that was used for the show "Walking With Dinosaurs". but trust me, it was better than what it looked like when they first premiered the film at the Hawaii International Film Festival. But hey! I didn't do the CGI so it's out of my hands. |
I don't think anyone is blaming you for the CGI dino.
| Quote: | | ~The dialog in the script was difficult at times to perform. The lines I had when walking next to Ian's horse was a pain in the butt to do since I had so many long words to get out clearly and quickly while also walking at a determined pace while either walking next to a tempermental horse or the camera on a dolly track. And let me just say that I didn't write the script and had no control over what we were told to perform. I simply showed up, knew my lines, hit my marks and did the best I could with what was given to me. |
The dialog is my main problem. Normally Richard does fabulous dialog and well, for me, it was very lacking to what I'm use to with him. I chalk it up to the budget that SciFi gave for the movie and the expectations/demands they probably placed on the movie as whole.
| Quote: | | ~As far as the spanish accent, that was Ian's choice as an actor and given his years of experience it is really not my place to criticize his choices with his character and performance. The rest of us including James, Milan, Will, Marco and myself decided otherwise. As an actor, you develop your character and find his voice as part of the process. Some actors are experienced and comfortable enough to do an accent and others aren't. I didn't feel comfortable doing a spanish accent and didn't have enough time to really study and develop one. And even if I did, I still wouldn't have done it because I believe in unity and cohesion with my fellow actors. We decided to not use one as a group and I stuck with those guys in the decision. |
Ian was doing a Spanish accent? I appreciate that you and the other gents decided to forgo that. There is nothing worse than watching any performer trying to do an accent and then they loose it....then they gain it back...then loose it...then try one last time and then finally give up and go with their normal accent. Pick one and stick with it is what I've been taught. I think you and the others were wise to forgo the accent especially with the limited amount of time you had to film in.
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